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Posted 3/15/2008 3:29:24 AM
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Muffy Healey was right - in the 2006 campaign she said that if Deval Patrick were elected governor, the murderers would be running wild again in Massachusetts.

And so it comes to pass - for the first time in years, I’m getting dimes dropped about the Lifers’ Group Inc. at MCI-Norfolk, a club of stone-cold killers. The lifers are very excited about their prospects for getting back out onto the street now that the Parole Board is filling up with the Friends of Ben LaGuer.

The Lifers’ Group, according to a statement from the Department of Correction, “is one of many inmate support groups.”

Its leaders are a couple of really nice guys. I shouldn’t recount their crimes, because on their Internet mission statement, “Who We Are,” this is what they say:

“The Lifers Group at Norfolk believes that human beings should not be defined by their worst moment.”

Speaking of worst moments, the chairman is Gordon Haas, who murdered his wife and two small children, ages 4 and 2, in 1973. Haas’ wife was black; next to her body was a note that said, “White and black don’t mix.”

The secretary of the Lifers’ Group is Kenneth Seguin. Like Chairman Haas, Seguin too has three notches on his belt - his wife and two kids. His wife was sleeping when he smashed her head with an ax in 1991 after he had slaughtered his two children.

Six murders for the top two guys in the group. The treasurer is a bit of a piker - Milton Rice only murdered his wife, down in West Barnstable, in 1993. He beat her to death with a piece of lumber, then put her body in a car and tried to make it look like an accident. It was their 18th wedding anniversary.

Then there is the “sole candidate” for Majority Camp Cochairman. That would be Bill Duclos, who was convicted of the 1989 murder of his parents. His mother was a former nun. According to newspaper stories at the time, police believed Duclos was after $35,000 in insurance money Ma and Pa had recently collected after a fire at their pig farm in Winchendon.

But why concentrate just on the leaders of the group? Sometimes more than 70 assorted killers show up for the meetings. They used to have Christmas banquets, but, as triple-murderer Haas says, “There have been roadblocks in the past, specifically leakage of information to the press and subsequent articles.”

A roadblock - that would be me, and I’m damn proud I could stand in the way of these vermin getting anything.

Let’s go straight to the minutes of the Lifers’ Group meetings, excerpts now available online for your reading pleasure. From last Sept. 4: “Lonnie Watkins began reading an excellent report entitled ‘Jailing Nation: How Did Our Prison System Become Such a Nightmare?’ ”

Lonnie Watkins: convicted of murder in the 1993 double slaying of a Madison Park high school basketball star and his cousin. Lonnie and three other gangstas took the dead boys’ gold chains.

From April 2007: “Russell Regan ... presented what Toastmasters International was and its importance of growing ones communication skills.”

Out on the street in Lowell, Regan liked to express himself by starting fires. In 1994 he was convicted of killing a 3-year-old and an 18-month old in a blaze he set “for the thrill” of it.

There is - or was - at least one good lifer in the DOC system. That would be Rus Dagenais, for whom “a moment of silence was held” at the March 20 meeting after his suicide at the prison in Shirley. He hanged himself, and I say, good riddance.
Dagenais was convicted at age 21 in 1997 for murdering his 20-year-old ex-girlfriend. Her body, bound and gagged in duct tape, was found in the Merrimack River.

This is the Lifers’ Group. And now they’re excited. They’re going to get out, they just know they are. First Arnie King, then Ben LeGuer, then who knows?

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Posted 3/15/2008 12:39:12 PM


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There definately has to be some changes made in our penile system and the
way we deal with criminals*

Did you know that one out of every hundred people
in the US is in prison or jail? What is wrong with
this picture???
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Posted 3/15/2008 3:29:18 PM


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I think we need to return first to the goal of incarseration

to me that consists of three objectives

1. to protect law abiding sociaty by removing individuals from the general population

2. to deter individuals from commiting crime in the first place

3. to rehabilitate those individuals whom can unlearn the behavior that brought them to criminal behavior.


we must look at why we put people in prison on the one end of the spectrum (for non violent victiumless crimes ) and on the other end why we do not remove permenently from sociaty the relatively few individuals that show absolutely no possible rehabilitative potential.

I believe that our justice system needs to reduce or eliminate the criminal liability of some even many user level drug crimes, as well as the criminal issues of prostitution. which fill our prisions to little effect in eather safety or rehabilitation, at great cost while tightening the penalties for those violent crimes to include the death penalty for multipule senseless sever crimes. Increased programs for rehabilitation (trade schools GED even college) as a privilage for those whom maintian themselves appropriately while in prison, but a very uncomfortable situation in general to maintian the deterent. Prison time should be absolutely minimium rights, it should be a place that is as unpleasent as possible and from which people say they NEVER WANT TO GO BACK TO.

anyway thats my quick and dirty thoughts on that matter.

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Posted 3/15/2008 9:26:29 PM


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in SC we use to fry em like bacon but for some odd reason some ethnics group thought how cruel...Jeezzz wasn't cruel when they diced and chopped a victum, or raped and killed a 9 yr old and stuffed her in a bag....

but hey at least we can lethally inject with them a cocktail that does more then give a buzz....

Life is a wonderful journey, its what you make of it along the way that counts.
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Posted 3/25/2008 2:39:37 PM


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And what if the person is innocent? the Police makes mistakes ALL the time, so you want death penalty back hmmm
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Posted 3/25/2008 2:54:33 PM
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Crime

Murder. kidnapping of children and molesting then killing them has risen ten fold


all because the death penalty has been abolished in most states

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Posted 3/25/2008 5:13:01 PM
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"So I guess it comes down to what does killing someone do that incarcerating them for life doesn't? "


people are let out by mistake and people escape....


so killing them, protects society by making sure there is no way possible for them to get out and harm someone else...
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